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Miscellaneous Forums => 'round the pot-bellied stove => Topic started by: DaveErnst on October 08, 2009, 10:53:38 AM
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The latest project I am involved in was an unknown 4 cylinder engine. I posted pictures on SmokStak and the helpful people there identified it as a 1917 truck engine. What is unique about the engine is that there is no cylinder head. It has a oil pump that is a piston type that is driven off a cam lobe. It pumps into a piece of tubing that is drilled with holes directly above and to the side of the rods. The oil pan has trays beneath each rod that this oil drips into and then the rod cap dips into that. The pictures provided to me show this engine was mounted in the truck frame backwards with the radiator next to the driver.
I'll post more pictures as work progresses.
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What are you going to do with it when done? Build a display stand or mount it on a trailer powering some sort of farm equipment? Of course you could go find the rest of the truck.:p
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Here is a couple more pictures.
John, good question. Donno.
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Dave;
Several years ago, there was a mid teens International truck that was exhibited at the Urbana, Ohio show. Engine looked like the one pictured. Radiator was behind the engine as you describe. Used hard rubber tires and chain drive to the rear wheels. Haven't seen the truck for several years, so don't know if it is still around.
A family from Plain City, Ohio, used to exhibit a 1915 Clydesdale truck made in Clyde, Ohio. Was also on hard rubber and used a Continental 4 cylinder engine with a block cast with individual cylinders. Used a 5 speed and a 4 speed transmission. Truck was found in an abandoned stone quarry where it had worked. The family showed it for several years till the son died and they haven't showed it since. Was a treat to parade around in the truck with the son.
Gene
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This link should show a photo of a 1917 International truck... Gene
http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/UDMANInternationals/1003415378
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Link to Clydesdale truck
http://www.sandusky-county-scrapbook.net/Clydesdale/ClydesdaleCompany.htm
Another Clydesdale. This is the configuration of the Bushong family truck.
http://www.musee-mccord.qc.ca/scripts/viewobject.php?Lang=1&accessnumber=MP-0000.587.2§ion=196
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Dave,
A guy in California I know just restored a 1917 International truck and sent me whole bunch of pictures of the truck. I'll look up your email address and forward some of the pictures to you.
George
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Received them George, thanks.
See you in Woodland on the 24th.
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Thanks Dave!
For reminding me it is the weekend of the 24th!
For some unknown reason I was recently thinking it was the following weekend :o Although there is an auction and swapmeet a bit further south then so all would not have been lost.
See you at Woodland!
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George,
I'm not sure I'll buy anything as I just purchased 2-2 horse Fairbanks vertical T's and a 4 horse vertical stover from a guy East of you in Montana. $3K for all!
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****! Wish I could find deals like that.
Sure you need that 4hp Stover?
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Interesting.
Just noticed that "d a m n" (without spaces) gets replaced with 4 asterisks.
Must be some automated censor system.
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****! Wish I could find deals like that.
Sure you need that 4hp Stover?
George,
They were advertised in your Iron Trader back in July or August. I forgot about them and subsequently saw them on Spencers ATIS list of items for sale. He received no responses, so the price kept coming down......
$1K for two Fairbanks T's in unheard of. Giving him $2K for the Stover.
I have one T that I've completely gone through and painted and is a keeper. Haven't decided what to do about the others besides repairing them back to running condition. Maybe paint and peddle. The Stover will go into the collection.
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Almost finished, working on the radiator
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That is some beautiful work, Dave. Wish I could be there the firsr time you fire it up.
Charlie V.
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Well, it won't run. It fires and tries, but it has a fuel problem. First, the rings were stuck and then I honed the cylinders. Then I did the valves. What the problem is the rings are not seated enough to draw enough vacuum that Detroit carb needs to create proper venturi action. The next step is to create something to either belt it up or hook it to a pto shaft so it can be spun at a high enough rpm to start it. Then tune the carb and it should be fine, I hope...
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Random thoughts Dave.....A small mix of two cycle oil in the gas to help the rings draw?? Today,s gas is so dry.
It almost looks like primer cocks on top of the engine. Maybe they are actually something else. Hard to tell from the picture. Good luck.
I am guessing you can get tired pretty quickly turning the winder.
One time when my dad was going to Az. for the winter (maybe 1966), he proudly told me had taken the key out of his tractor. Then he pointed to the crank for the F-20 sitting in the corner of the room.
Charlie V.
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A good thing about being able to belt it up for crannking is that once it is running you can slow down the starter engine to create a load. We've used that tactic several times after rebuilding a tractor engine by chaining a larger tractor to the one just rebuilt and then tow it around. Just back off the throttle as needed to increase the load.